Oh, here's a really stupid question:

             Where do I go
          to learn the details
of Git's packing heuristics?

   <njs`> Oh, here's a really stupid question -- where do I go to
learn the details of Git's packing heuristics?  google avails
       me not, reading the source didn't help a lot, and wading
       through the whole mailing list seems less efficient than any
       of that.

<pasky> yes, the packing-related delta stuff is somewhat
    mysterious even for me ;)

  <linus> njs, I don't think the docs exist. That's something where
I don't think anybody else than me even really got involved.
Most of the rest of Git others have been busy with (especially
Junio), but packing nobody touched after I did it.

<njs`> I guess the next step is "read the source again", but I
    have to build up a certain level of gumption first :-)

<linus> The packing heuristic is actually really really simple.

<linus> But strange.

<linus> Remember: Git really doesn't follow files. So what it does is
    - generate a list of all objects
    - sort the list according to magic heuristics
    - walk the list, using a sliding window, seeing if an object
      can be diffed against another object in the window
    - write out the list in recency order

<njs`> I suspect that what I'm missing is the precise definition of
    the word "magic"

<pasky> yes

<njs`> oh, hmm, and I'm not sure what this sliding window means either

<pasky> iirc, it appeared to me to be just the sha1 of the object
    when reading the code casually ...

   <linus> The "magic" is actually in theory totally arbitrary.
       ANY order will give you a working pack, but no, it's not
ordered by SHA-1.

Before talking about the ordering for the sliding delta
window, let's talk about the recency order. That's more
important in one way.

<njs`> Right, but if all you want is a working way to pack things
    together, you could just use cat and save yourself some
    trouble...

<linus> The recency ordering (which is basically: put objects
    _physically_ into the pack in the order that they are
    "reachable" from the head) is important.

<njs`> okay

<linus> It's important because that's the thing that gives packs
    good locality. It keeps the objects close to the head (whether
    they are old or new, but they are _reachable_ from the head)
    at the head of the pack. So packs actually have absolutely
    _wonderful_ IO patterns.

<linus> But recency ordering is totally useless for deciding how
    to actually generate the deltas, so the delta ordering is
    something else.

The delta ordering is (wait for it):
- first sort by the "basename" of the object, as defined by
  the name the object was _first_ reached through when
  generating the object list
- within the same basename, sort by size of the object
- but always sort different types separately (commits first).

That's not exactly it, but it's very close.

<njs`> The "_first_ reached" thing is not too important, just you
    need some way to break ties since the same objects may be
    reachable many ways, yes?

<linus> The point is that it's all really just any random
    heuristic, and the ordering is totally unimportant for
    correctness, but it helps a lot if the heuristic gives
    "clumping" for things that are likely to delta well against
    each other.

 <gitster> The quote from the above linus should be rewritten a
     bit (wait for it):
     - first sort by type.  Different objects never delta with
each other.
     - then sort by filename/dirname.  hash of the basename
       occupies the top BITS_PER_INT-DIR_BITS bits, and bottom
       DIR_BITS are for the hash of leading path elements.
     - then if we are doing "thin" pack, the objects we are _not_
       going to pack but we know about are sorted earlier than
       other objects.
     - and finally sort by size, larger to smaller.

   <gitster> That's the sort order.  What this means is:
       - we do not delta different object types.
- we prefer to delta the objects with the same full path, but
         allow files with the same name from different directories.
- we always prefer to delta against objects we are not going
         to send, if there are some.
- we prefer to delta against larger objects, so that we have
         lots of removals.

The penultimate rule is for "thin" packs.  It is used when
the other side is known to have such objects.

<jdl> What is a "thin" pack?

<gitster> Use of --objects-edge to rev-list as the upstream of
    pack-objects.  The pack transfer protocol negotiates that.

<gitster> There are two directions - push and fetch.

<gitster> For push, git-send-pack invokes git-receive-pack on the
    other end.  The receive-pack says "I have up to these commits".
    send-pack looks at them, and computes what are missing from
    the other end.  So "thin" could be the default there.

       In the other direction, fetch, git-fetch-pack and
       git-clone-pack invokes git-upload-pack on the other end
(via ssh or by talking to the daemon).

There are two cases: fetch-pack with -k and clone-pack is one,
       fetch-pack without -k is the other.  clone-pack and fetch-pack
       with -k will keep the downloaded packfile without expanded, so
       we do not use thin pack transfer.  Otherwise, the generated
       pack will have delta without base object in the same pack.

But fetch-pack without -k will explode the received pack into
individual objects, so we automatically ask upload-pack to
give us a thin pack if upload-pack supports it.

<njs`> and "basename" means something like "the tail of end of
    path of file objects and dir objects, as per basename(3), and
    we just declare all commit and tag objects to have the same
    basename" or something?

<linus> I played around with different delta algorithms, and with
    making the "delta window" bigger, but having too big of a
    sliding window makes it very expensive to generate the pack:
    you need to compare every object with a _ton_ of other objects.

There are a number of other trivial heuristics too, which
basically boil down to "don't bother even trying to delta this
pair" if we can tell before-hand that the delta isn't worth it
(due to size differences, where we can take a previous delta
result into account to decide that "ok, no point in trying
that one, it will be worse").

End result: packing is actually very size efficient. It's
somewhat CPU-wasteful, but on the other hand, since you're
really only supposed to do it maybe once a month (and you can
do it during the night), nobody really seems to care.

<njs`> So, just to repeat to see if I'm following, we start by
    getting a list of the objects we want to pack, we sort it by
    this heuristic (basically lexicographically on the tuple
    (type, basename, size)).

Then we walk through this list, and calculate a delta of
each object against the last n (tunable parameter) objects,
and pick the smallest of these deltas.

<linus> Correct.

<njs`> And then once we have picked a delta or fulltext to
    represent each object, we re-sort by recency, and write them
    out in that order.

<linus> Yup. Some other small details:

<linus> - We limit the delta depth to another magic value (right
    now both the window and delta depth magic values are just "10")

<njs`> Hrm, my intuition is that you'd end up with really _bad_ IO
    patterns, because the things you want are near by, but to
    actually reconstruct them you may have to jump all over in
    random ways.

<linus> - When we write out a delta, and we haven't yet written
    out the object it is a delta against, we write out the base
    object first.  And no, when we reconstruct them, we actually
    get nice IO patterns, because:
    - larger objects tend to be "more recent" (Linus' law: files grow)
    - we actively try to generate deltas from a larger object to a
      smaller one
    - this means that the top-of-tree very seldom has deltas
      (i.e. deltas in _practice_ are "backwards deltas")

<njs`> So the point is just that in practice, delta order and
    recency order match each other quite well.

   <linus> Yes. There's another nice side to this (and yes, it was
designed that way ;):
       - the reason we generate deltas against the larger object is
  actually a big space saver too!

<njs`> Hmm, but your last comment (if "we haven't yet written out
    the object it is a delta against, we write out the base object
    first"), seems like it would make these facts mostly
    irrelevant because even if in practice you would not have to
    wander around much, in fact you just brute-force say that in
    the cases where you might have to wander, don't do that :-)

<linus> Yes and no. Notice the rule: we only write out the base
    object first if the delta against it was more recent.  That
    means that you can actually have deltas that refer to a base
    object that is _not_ close to the delta object, but that only
    happens when the delta is needed to generate an _old_ object.

<linus> See?

<linus> This keeps the front of the pack dense. The front of the
    pack never contains data that isn't relevant to a "recent"
    object.  The size optimization comes from our use of xdelta
    (but is true for many other delta algorithms): removing data
    is cheaper (in size) than adding data.

       When you remove data, you only need to say "copy bytes n--m".
In contrast, in a delta that _adds_ data, you have to say "add
       these bytes: 'actual data goes here'"

<linus> njs - did you miss anything?

<njs`> Stupid router.  Or gremlins, or whatever.

<njs`> Yes and no. Notice the rule: we only write out the base
    object first if the delta against it was more recent.

       I'm getting lost in all these orders, let me re-read :-)
So the write-out order is from most recent to least recent?
       (Conceivably it could be the opposite way too, I'm not sure if
       we've said) though my connection back at home is logging, so I
       can just read what you said there :-)

<linus> Yes, we always write out most recent first

<njs`> And, yeah, I got the part about deeper-in-history stuff
    having worse IO characteristics, one sort of doesn't care.

<linus> With the caveat that if the "most recent" needs an older
    object to delta against (hey, shrinking sometimes does
    happen), we write out the old object with the delta.

<njs`> (if only it happened more...)

   <linus> Anyway, the pack-file could easily be denser still, but
because it's used both for streaming (the Git protocol) and
       for on-disk, it has a few pessimizations.

<linus> In particular, while the pack-file is then compressed,
    it's compressed just one object at a time, so the actual
    compression factor is less than it could be in theory. But it
    means that it's all nice random-access with a simple index to
    do "object name->location in packfile" translation.

<njs`> I'm assuming the real win for delta-ing large->small is
    more homogeneous statistics for gzip to run over?

(You have to put the bytes in one place or another, but
putting them in a larger blob wins on compression)

Actually, what is the compression strategy -- each delta
individually gzipped, the whole file gzipped, somewhere in
between, no compression at all, ....?

Right.

<pasky> I'll read the rest in the morning, I really have to go
    sleep or there's no hope whatsoever for me at the today's
    exam... g'nite all.

<linus> pasky: g'nite

<njs`> pasky: 'luck

<linus> Right: large->small matters exactly because of compression
    behaviour. If it was non-compressed, it probably wouldn't make
    any difference.

<njs`> yeah

<linus> Anyway: I'm not even trying to claim that the pack-files
    are perfect, but they do tend to have a nice balance of
    density vs ease-of use.

<linus> More importantly, they allow Git to still _conceptually_
    never deal with deltas at all, and be a "whole object" store.

       Which has some problems (we discussed bad huge-file
behaviour on the Git lists the other day), but it does mean
that the basic Git concepts are really really simple and
       straightforward.

It's all been quite stable.

Which I think is very much a result of having very simple
basic ideas, so that there's never any confusion about what's
going on.

Bugs happen, but they are "simple" bugs. And bugs that
actually get some object store detail wrong are almost always
so obvious that they never go anywhere.

<njs`> Yeah.

  <linus> Anyway.  I'm off for bed. It's not 6AM here, but I've got
three kids, and have to get up early in the morning to send
them off. I need my beauty sleep.

<njs`> :-)

   <njs`> appreciate the infodump, I really was failing to find the
details on Git packs :-)